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05:08:36 PM State of Alaska Background and History as Related to Current Gas Trends
06:37:31 PM Adjourn
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State of Alaska Background and History as Related
to Current Gas Trends
Dept of Natural Resources Commissioner Joe Balash
Dept of Revenue Deputy Commissioner Michael
Pawlowski
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 20, 2014                                                                                          
                         5:07 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:07:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  called the Senate Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 5:07 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Joe Balash, Commissioner, Department of Natural Resources.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
STATE  OF  ALASKA  BACKGROUND  and  HISTORY  AS  RELATED  TO                                                                    
CURRENT GAS TRENDS                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  stated that the discussion  would be related                                                                    
to SB 138, which was not yet in committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:08:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^STATE  OF  ALASKA  BACKGROUND and  HISTORY  AS  RELATED  TO                                                                  
CURRENT GAS TRENDS                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:08:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE BALASH,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF  NATURAL RESOURCES,                                                                    
(DNR) discussed  the PowerPoint presentation,  "Alaska North                                                                    
Slope Gas Commercialization" (copy  on file). He stated that                                                                    
his presentation  would address the history  of Alaska North                                                                    
Slope liquid natural gas  (AKLNG) commercialization. He felt                                                                    
that  he  had  a  unique perspective,  because  he  was  the                                                                    
incoming  committee  aide  for the  Legislative  Budget  and                                                                    
Audit  Committee  in  2004.   He  signed  a  confidentiality                                                                    
agreement  that  gave  him  access   to  the  materials  and                                                                    
documents   that   were    being   exchanged   between   the                                                                    
administration  and various  applicants  under the  Stranded                                                                    
Gas  Development Act.  He stressed  that he  did not  have a                                                                    
seat at  the table during  those negotiations, but he  had a                                                                    
"front row  seat." In 2006,  he left the  legislative branch                                                                    
and joined  the governors' office.  At that time,  he joined                                                                    
the  team that  put together  the Alaska  Gasline Inducement                                                                    
Act  (AGIA)  statute  and  framework  that  has  since  been                                                                    
instituted. In  2010, he joined  DNR, so  he has had  a very                                                                    
close view of  the transition during the  previous 10 years.                                                                    
He stressed that he had his  own biases, and what he witness                                                                    
affected  his perspective.  He hoped  that his  presentation                                                                    
would help contextualize the information and history.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash  displayed slide 2, "Alaska  North Slope                                                                    
Gas Commercialization."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Commercializing Alaska North Slope Gas:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Where we have been                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Where we are                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Where we hope to be                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Key principles for any project                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Gas to address Alaska's in-state needs for                                                                            
          abundant supplies of low-cost energy and economic                                                                     
          growth                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Gas that will maximize the value of the state's                                                                       
          massive resource base through high-volume and                                                                         
          export markets                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          A project that incentivizes exploration and                                                                           
          investment in continued oil and gas development                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:12:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash looked at slide 3, "North Slope Gas                                                                         
Commercialization: Benefits to the State."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In-State  Gas:  opportunity for  competitively  priced,                                                                    
     reliable in-state gas supply                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Commercialization of  Alaska North Slope  gas resources                                                                    
     through sale of large  quantities of natural gas beyond                                                                    
     in-state needs                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Additional revenues to the State                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Creates   jobs  for   Alaskans   in  the   exploration,                                                                    
     development, production, and  transportation of natural                                                                    
     gas                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Increased opportunities  for Alaskan  based contractors                                                                    
     and businesses                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Infrastructure  for   development  of   additional  gas                                                                    
     resources    to   enhance    further   oil    and   gas                                                                    
     exploration/production opportunities                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash highlighted slide 4, "North Slope Gas                                                                       
Commercialization: State Interests."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska   has   world-class  unconventional   resources,                                                                    
     including  tens of  billions of  barrels of  heavy oil,                                                                    
     shale oil,  and viscous oil, and  hundreds of trillions                                                                    
     of  cubic  feet  of  shale  gas,  tight  gas,  and  gas                                                                    
     hydrates.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The mean estimated onshore gas  hydrate resource is 590                                                                    
     TCF  of   gas-in-place,  with  a   mean  of   85.4  TCF                                                                    
     potentially recoverable with  current technology (USGS,                                                                    
     2008).                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash spoke to slide 5, "North Slope Gas                                                                          
Commercialization: AGIA Background, Purpose, and Terms."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Gasline Inducement Act  (AGIA) resulted from the                                                                    
     aftermath of  the failed  Stranded Gas  Development Act                                                                    
     (SGDA)                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Relied on private sector project sponsor                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          -Utilized reimbursement to de-risk development                                                                        
          costs                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          -Also    secured    an    option    to    purchase                                                                    
          information/assets if project did not advance                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Established terms designed to maximize state benefits                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          -Low tariffs - through high debt/equity capital                                                                       
          structure                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          -Favorable expansion policy                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Expectation was long lead time on development could                                                                        
     proceed    in     parallel    with    commercial/fiscal                                                                    
     negotiations                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:17:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash discussed slide 6, "North Slope Gas                                                                         
Commercialization: History and Timelines."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     2007:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          AGIA process set out in statute                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Applications received December 1, 2007                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2008:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          April: Denali announced by BP and COP                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          July: Enstar-ANGDA Plan announced                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          August: AGIA license approved by Legislature                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     2009:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          February: In-State Project Manager is named                                                                           
               Built on work started by Enstar and Anadarko                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          June: ExxonMobil aligns with TC to form the                                                                           
          Alaska Pipeline Project (APP)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly handed the gavel to Co-Chair Meyer.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:24:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Balash looked  at  slide 7,  "North Slope  Gas                                                                    
Commercialization: History and Timelines."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     2010:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          April: Legislature passes HB 369                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          July: Open Season held for APP - conditioned bids                                                                     
          received                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          October:   Open   Season   held   for   Denali   -                                                                    
          conditioned bids received                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Shift to LNG in 2011:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          May: BP and Conoco abandon Denali                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          July: AGDC/ASAP project plan released                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          October: Governor Parnell calls on parties to                                                                         
          move forward on large-diameter pipeline to                                                                            
         tidewater in Alaska in an AGIA framework                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer handed the gavel to Co-Chair Kelly.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer   wondered  if   the  condition   bids  were                                                                    
confidential.   Commissioner    Balash   replied    in   the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if there were  positive results during                                                                    
the  open  season.  Commissioner Balash  replied  that  both                                                                    
projects had  announced that they had  successfully achieved                                                                    
or attracted bids, but were conditioned.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Fairclough   queried   the  number   of   bids.                                                                    
Commissioner  Balash responded  that the  administration did                                                                    
not receive the specific details  of the bids, but briefings                                                                    
had  indicated a  sufficient capacity  bid  for the  Alberta                                                                    
project  to warrant  continued development  costs associated                                                                    
with  the  project.  He  stressed   that  the  work  on  the                                                                    
Richardson  Highway leg  to Valdez  was halted  in order  to                                                                    
focus exclusively on the Alberta leg.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough wondered  whether the  administration                                                                    
had  knowledge   of  other  conditions   beside  financially                                                                    
certainty  that were  received  on  those conditional  bids.                                                                    
Commissioner Balash  replied that he  was not able  to speak                                                                    
of it publicly.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough   wondered  why  the   discussion  of                                                                    
financial  certainty  was  allowed, but  the  discussion  of                                                                    
other conditions could not be addressed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  felt that there  may be  a miscommunication,                                                                    
and asked Vice-Chair Fairclough to restate her question.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough understood  that conditional bids were                                                                    
under   confidentiality   agreements,    but   stated   that                                                                    
Commissioner Balash  had shared that one  of the conditional                                                                    
bids was  related to  fiscal terms.  She wondered  why other                                                                    
conditions  could  not  be  shared, if  it  was  known  that                                                                    
financial terms  were one of the  conditions. Co-Chair Kelly                                                                    
felt  there  may be  another  opportunity  to address  those                                                                    
concerns. He  stressed that  Commissioner Balash  should not                                                                    
be made  to feel like  he was breaching  any confidentiality                                                                    
agreements.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Balash  stated  that  he  would  seek  further                                                                    
understanding,  if he  were  able to  speak  to the  details                                                                    
publicly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:35:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Balash discussed  slide  8,  "North Slope  Gas                                                                    
Commercialization: 2012 State of the State and Benchmarks."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Governor's Roadmap to Gasline                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          1. Resolve Point Thomson                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          2. Align during the first quarter of 2012 under                                                                       
          an AGIA framework on a large diameter gasline to                                                                      
          tidewater                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          3. Two projects-under AGIA and AGDC-complete                                                                          
          discussions by third quarter of 2012 determining                                                                      
          what potential exists to consolidate projects                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          4. Harden numbers on an Alaska LNG project by the                                                                     
          third quarter of 2012, and identify a pipeline                                                                        
          project and associated work schedule                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          5. If milestones are met, the 2013 Legislature                                                                        
          can take up gas tax legislation designed to move                                                                      
          the project forward                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     January 2012: Three CEOs meet with the Governor                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "Currently, Alaska  is pursuing parallel tracks  to get                                                                    
     a   gasline.  The   State   financially  supports   two                                                                    
     different  projects  -  one under  the  Alaska  Gasline                                                                    
     Inducement Act, and the other  under the Alaska Gasline                                                                    
     Development   Corporation.   While  both   are   making                                                                    
     progress, neither  can finish the job."  -Governor Sean                                                                    
     Parnell, 2012 State of the State                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked  how the  project would  apply to  the                                                                    
AGIA  framework, because  the  projects  were so  different.                                                                    
Commissioner Balash  responded that there were  project plan                                                                    
amendments  that  were  submitted  by the  licensee  to  the                                                                    
commissioners  of  DOR and  DNR  that  were approved,  which                                                                    
allowed TransCanada  to conduct certain  planning activities                                                                    
that  would support  the AKLNG  project.  He announced  that                                                                    
information had  been gathered  for reimbursement,  and then                                                                    
used  by  the  parties  to  continue  their  discussions  in                                                                    
exploring whether or  not and LNG project  could provide the                                                                    
market opportunity that an Alberta  project did not provide.                                                                    
He  stressed that  all parties  had not  signed on  to AGIA;                                                                    
however  they were  all working  together  with the  state's                                                                    
licensee to continue to discuss the mission of AGIA.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:41:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly surmised  that  TransCanada  was a  licensee                                                                    
under AGIA.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash  highlighted slide  9, "North  Slope Gas                                                                    
Commercialization: Point Thompson Settlement."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     March  30,  2012:  Point Thomson  Settlement  Agreement                                                                    
     filed with the Alaska Supreme Court                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Premised on requirement to perform work, start                                                                        
          production                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Working Interest Owners must earn the acreage                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Sanction of Major Gas Sale pipeline project (in                                                                       
          2016 or 2019) secures entire unit                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  asked  for  an  explanation  of  the  Pt.                                                                    
Thompson  dispute.  Commissioner  Balash  stated  that,  for                                                                    
several years the resources at  Pt. Thompson were thought to                                                                    
include both  oil and  gas. The  understanding was  that Pt.                                                                    
Thompson   was    considered   a    "retrograde   condensate                                                                    
reservoir",  which  meant  that  that  gas  was  under  such                                                                    
enormous pressure  that the other hydrocarbons  in the field                                                                    
were in  a gaseous state.  When the  gas was brought  to the                                                                    
surface, there  were certain  hydrocarbon liquids  that fell                                                                    
out. It was possible to  recover those liquids, and push the                                                                    
gas back into  the reservoir, which was  considered a cycle.                                                                    
The  question in  the dispute  was  how much  of the  liquid                                                                    
could be discovered, and did  the field need to be developed                                                                    
with  liquids recovery  as the  primary means  of production                                                                    
and commercial activity, before gas recovery.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  surmised that  the dispute was  related to                                                                    
whether or  not Pt.  Thompson was considered  an oil  or gas                                                                    
field. Commissioner Balash agreed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy wondered  how long  the dispute  occurred.                                                                    
Commissioner Balash replied that  the unit was terminated by                                                                    
in 2006,  and the  litigation carried  on through  2012. The                                                                    
settlement occurred on March 30, 2012.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:46:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  asked  what Pt.  Thompson  was  currently                                                                    
considered.  Commissioner Balash  replied that  Pt. Thompson                                                                    
was considered a hydrocarbon field.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy felt  that it  was a  circular conclusion.                                                                    
Commissioner Balash  agreed. He  stated that the  purpose of                                                                    
the initial production  system was to test  the methods that                                                                    
were in dispute  between the state and  the working interest                                                                    
owners.  The initial  production system  that would  go into                                                                    
operation  in  2016  was  expected  to  yield  approximately                                                                    
10,000 barrels per  day. He stressed that  there was concern                                                                    
regarding yield  sustainment. The result of  the yield would                                                                    
determine expansion  of the cycling  program to  recover all                                                                    
of the condensate before blowing down the gas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly wondered  if that  oil and/or  gas would  be                                                                    
taxed.  Commissioner  Balash   replied  that  the  ownership                                                                    
interest would  be recovered in  the form of  royalties. The                                                                    
royalties  at Pt.  Thompson were  slightly  higher than  the                                                                    
royalties at  Prudhoe Bay, but  the production tax  was done                                                                    
through  the  oil  and  gas  production  tax.  The  produced                                                                    
hydrocarbon would  be valued  and taxed  at 35  percent. Oil                                                                    
would qualify for the production  tax credit available under                                                                    
43.55.  Gas  would  not  get a  production  tax  credit.  He                                                                    
stressed that SB 21 allowed  Pt. Thompson to qualify for the                                                                    
gross  value  reduction,  because   of  the  timing  of  its                                                                    
commercial activity.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked  for a  definition of  the term  "blow                                                                    
down."  Commissioner  Balash  replied that  the  term  "blow                                                                    
down"  referred  to   the  release  of  the   gas  from  the                                                                    
reservoir.  Gas  was  trapped  under the  earth  in  a  hard                                                                    
formation, and  was typically  under pressure.  The pressure                                                                    
of the  oil and  gas that pushes  the hydrocarbons  into the                                                                    
well  bores  that were  drilled  into  the fields,  but  the                                                                    
pressure declined as  the fields was produced.  When the gas                                                                    
pressure was relieved,  there was less energy  in the field.                                                                    
The oil  did not flow  as well, inhibiting oil  recovery. He                                                                    
explained  that   the  Alaska   Oil  and   Gas  Conservation                                                                    
Commission (AOGCC) paid close attention  to the way in which                                                                    
any given field is managed and produced.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:51:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough wondered if  the "ring" was around the                                                                    
field or  at the  bottom of  the field.  Commissioner Balash                                                                    
replied that  in the course  of the Pt.  Thompson settlement                                                                    
discussions,  DNR  gained  access to  additional  geological                                                                    
information that helped informed DNR  of the likely state of                                                                    
affairs at the bottom of the  field. He stressed that it was                                                                    
a  key factor  that lead  DNR  to pursue  the settlement  as                                                                    
outlined in the terms.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Balash displayed  slide 10,  "North Slope  Gas                                                                    
Commercialization: 2013 Milestones:  Governor's State of the                                                                    
State."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     1.  By February  15,  private parties  involved in  APP                                                                    
     must select  a concept  on an all-Alaska  project; they                                                                    
     must  describe  and  detail the  project  and  pipeline                                                                    
     specifications. To include:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          the size of the pipe and the daily volume of gas                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          the  location  of  the  gas  treatment  plant  and                                                                    
          detailing  the number  of  compressor stations  to                                                                    
          move the gas along                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          the size  and scope of the  liquefaction plant and                                                                    
          LNG storage tanks                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          the  number  of  off-take points  to  ensure  that                                                                    
          Alaskans can utilize our gas for our needs                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     2. Spring 2013: Companies finalize an agreement to                                                                         
    advance to Pre-FEED (front-end engineering design)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Pre-Feed - hundreds  of millions of private-sector                                                                    
          dollars                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     3. Producers ensure a full summer field season (Summer                                                                     
     2013)                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:56:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash highlighted slide 11, "North Slope                                                                          
Commercialization: 2013 Milestones."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     April:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          HB 4  and More  Alaska Production  Act (MAPA/SB21)                                                                    
          passed by Legislature June:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Last  milestone  of  2013 not  met  -  no  special                                                                    
          session on gas tax legislation October:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Nikiski named  as preferred location  for pipeline                                                                    
          terminus                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash displayed slide 12, "North Slope                                                                            
Commercialization: Fiscal Discussions."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Early Breakthrough on Take vs. Stability                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          Set take terms now, provide stability later                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Commensurate  commitments  by parties  as  project                                                                    
          moves forward                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Fundamental differences between SOA and Producers -                                                                        
     stemming from our misalignment of interests                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          State interests driven by lowest transportation                                                                       
          charges/highest netback                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Lack   of   regulation   at   LNG   plant/terminal                                                                    
          (ownership of pipeline only does not solve the                                                                        
          problem)                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Integrated companies are not driven by the                                                                            
          capital structure/netback                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Key to Resolution: equity participation by SOA                                                                             
     (project in a project)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Allows each party to structure their financing as                                                                     
          they see fit                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Enables any party to initiate an expansion on a                                                                       
          sole-risk/keep-whole basis                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:01:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly queried the definition  of the phrase "rolled                                                                    
in."  Commissioner   Balash  replied   that  there   was  an                                                                    
additional cost,  when a cost was  expanded. Sometimes those                                                                    
expansions were  cheap, which meant  that the  expansion was                                                                    
efficient  and   the  per   unit  cost   decreased  overall.                                                                    
Sometimes the  expansions were so  costly that the  per unit                                                                    
costs increase.  There was a methodology  called "rolled in"                                                                    
rate making, which  blended the per unit  costs resulting in                                                                    
everyone's tariff to increase.  Allowing expansions to occur                                                                    
on a  soul risk keep  hold basis  would result if  the state                                                                    
deciding to  take equity participation  in the  project. The                                                                    
original  parties  on  the  project  would  have  their  own                                                                    
separate tariff, and if an  expansion occurred by one party,                                                                    
the other three parties were not required to participate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked what would  happen if the other parties                                                                    
took  advantage  of  the  expansion that  was  paid  for  by                                                                    
another party.  Commissioner Balash  replied that  the other                                                                    
parties would be  required to pay for  the second expansion,                                                                    
under the principles outlined in Appendix A of the HOA.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough asked  for information  regarding the                                                                    
traditional forms of gas expansion.  She remarked that there                                                                    
was  some   concern  regarding  the   Trans-Alaska  Pipeline                                                                    
Service (TAPS),  and the accessibility  to that line  by the                                                                    
smaller producers. She wondered  how the TAPS pipeline model                                                                    
was different  than the  current proposal.  She specifically                                                                    
queried the  traditional choices  in how  gas moved  in most                                                                    
pipelines in the world. Co-Chair  Kelly also wondered if the                                                                    
word "expansion" in this context  only referred to volume of                                                                    
gas  through  the  pipeline. Commissioner  Balash  responded                                                                    
that a given  pipeline could carry so much  gas depending on                                                                    
the compressors that  were able to push the  gas through the                                                                    
pipeline. More  compression must be  added in order  to move                                                                    
more gas  through the pipeline.  He stressed that  more fuel                                                                    
is  consumed, when  more compression  is added.  He remarked                                                                    
that it  was often  cheaper to  lay more  pipe at  a certain                                                                    
point, than simply move more gas.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:07:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a   question  from  Vice-Chair  Fairclough                                                                    
Commissioner Balash stated that  many of the challenges that                                                                    
were faced  by third-parties  or independent  producers with                                                                    
regard  to TAPS  was a  product of  problems that  the state                                                                    
faced  15 to  20 years  prior. During  the mid-1980s  to the                                                                    
early 2000s, the  tariffs on TAPS were charged  on the basis                                                                    
of  a   settlement.  The  tariffs   were  not  at   a  fully                                                                    
adjudicated tariff, so there were  parties who felt that the                                                                    
settlement produced  tariffs that  were too high.  He stated                                                                    
that TAPS was considered  a "common carrier", meaning anyone                                                                    
who was  able to pay  the tariff was  able to use  TAPS. The                                                                    
current participants  would be  pro-rated down to  make room                                                                    
for  the  new  party,  if  the pipe  was  already  full.  He                                                                    
stressed that the  party must be able to  afford the tariff.                                                                    
The high  cost of the  tariff during that time  created some                                                                    
competitive disadvantages  for non-TAPS owners.  He remarked                                                                    
that  there  was currently  a  just  and reasonable  tariff,                                                                    
which  was  adjudicated  by the  Federal  Energy  Regulatory                                                                    
Commission (FERC).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Balash  announced that most pipelines  in North                                                                    
America were  regulated and their business  was conducted in                                                                    
a  unique way.  Those pipelines  were typically  operated as                                                                    
contract  carriers,  rather  than  being  considered  common                                                                    
carriers. Being a  contract carrier meant that  space in the                                                                    
pipeline was  reserved by those  who had space in  the pipe.                                                                    
The contract  entitled them to  the capacity day to  day. He                                                                    
stated that if a party wanted  to participate in the pipe, a                                                                    
change in  the pipe must  be made. The change  would consist                                                                    
of either the  addition of compression, or  looping. The new                                                                    
party  would  be  required  to pay  for  the  expansion.  He                                                                    
explained  that  the history  of  rate  regulation and  rate                                                                    
making in the  U.S. was varied. He explained  that there was                                                                    
a point  in time  when all pipelines  in North  America were                                                                    
governed  by  a  rolled  in  methodology.  As  part  of  the                                                                    
deregulation  and  efforts  to promote  competition  in  the                                                                    
1970s and  1980s, the U.S.  moved to an  incremental pricing                                                                    
methodology  for  the expansions.  That  change  led to  the                                                                    
construction  of  more  pipelines   in  more  parts  of  the                                                                    
country, which  he felt was  good for the U.S.  He explained                                                                    
that Canada continued  to rely on rolled in  rate making for                                                                    
expansion services, and they had fewer pipeline companies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:14:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  stressed   that  Alaska  was  paying                                                                    
attention to  access, and whether new  production could make                                                                    
it into a pipeline. She  queried the likelihood of the state                                                                    
covering the cost  of a possible expansion. She  felt that a                                                                    
pipeline  operator   would  want   to  participate   in  the                                                                    
expansion, because the capital  investment would give a rate                                                                    
of return based on that  expansion for thirty years or more.                                                                    
Commissioner  Balash   responded  that  he  felt   that  the                                                                    
agreement  with  TransCanada  was   in  Alaska's  long  term                                                                    
interest. He  stressed that the  state may not be  the party                                                                    
involved in  expansion. He  remarked that  there would  be a                                                                    
contract with  TransCanada for capacity  to ensure  that the                                                                    
gas  gets  to the  liquefaction  terminal  and Alaskans.  He                                                                    
stressed that a  discovery of gas on federal  land would not                                                                    
result in  a royalty volume  for that gas. He  stressed that                                                                    
the  contract with  TransCanada needed  to be  structured on                                                                    
terms  that  work  for  the  state  over  the  life  of  the                                                                    
contract,  which was  stated  in  the MOU  as  25 years.  He                                                                    
explained that there were some  past issues related strictly                                                                    
to pipelines, because the pipeline  was going to provide the                                                                    
means  to  market.  Currently,  the  new  component  of  the                                                                    
liquefaction  terminal was  going to  be the  primary hurdle                                                                    
for third parties to get their gas to market.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough queried  the  definition of  "train."                                                                    
Commissioner Balash explained  that a "train" was  a unit of                                                                    
the  processing  component  either  on the  North  Slope  to                                                                    
remove the carbon dioxide, or at  the other under end of the                                                                    
pipeline at  the liquefaction unit.  He stated that  a train                                                                    
was a  piece of equipment  that reduced the  temperature and                                                                    
increases the pressure on the gas  to convert it to a liquid                                                                    
state. He  stated that the  trains were modular.  There were                                                                    
three trains in  the proposed project: three  trains for GTP                                                                    
and three trains for liquefaction.  There will mostly likely                                                                    
be an additional  train, in order to expand  the capacity of                                                                    
the facility to make more  LNG. He remarked that without the                                                                    
addition  of   more  LNG,  expansion  of   the  project  was                                                                    
pointless.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:22:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Balash   discussed  slide  13,   "North  Slope                                                                    
Commercialization: What's Different This Time?"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Pt. Thomson resolved                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     All the necessary parties have aligned to make an                                                                          
     Alaska gasline project go - three producers, a pre-                                                                        
     eminent pipeline builder, and AGDC                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Commercial issues being resolved by parties                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Gas-oil ratio (GOR) reaching a tipping point in 2020s                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Clear articulation of all parties' commitments                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Agencies asking the Legislature to provide term sheet-                                                                     
     level approach                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Papering of Definitive Agreements only occurs after                                                                        
     Legislature grants authority                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Definitive   Agreements    not   binding   unless/until                                                                    
     Legislature ratifies - at next stage of commitment by                                                                      
     Producers                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Balash addressed  slide  14, "Long-Term  North                                                                    
Slope  Oil and  gas  Revenues are  Driven  by AKLNG  Project                                                                    
Success."   He  stated   that  the   slide   was  from   the                                                                    
presentation  from   the  previous  evening's   meeting.  He                                                                    
explained  that   the  slide  showed  the   state's  revenue                                                                    
picture, which showed an oil-only  world and an oil plus gas                                                                    
world. He stressed that the  development of the gas resource                                                                    
was in the state's interest,  in order to support the public                                                                    
services that were provided in state business.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:30:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy wondered if the  2020 was the year that the                                                                    
GOR  lines  would cross,  and  the  focus  would be  on  gas                                                                    
revenue. He asked if  production was declining. Commissioner                                                                    
Balash  responded  with  slide  15,  "Producer  (Upstream  +                                                                    
Midstream) Status Quo Annual Cash  Flows." He announced that                                                                    
the issue was  related to the production of the  gas and the                                                                    
removing  of  the  gas  from the  field  caused  a  negative                                                                    
consequence on  oil production. He stressed  that a negative                                                                    
consequence  on  oil  production  would  affect  a  business                                                                    
decision regarding gas production.  He remarked that the DNR                                                                    
models  predicted  that  sometime  in  the  2020s,  the  oil                                                                    
impacts  at Prudhoe  Bay would  be  negligible. That  impact                                                                    
would then force  the Prudhoe Bay companies  to evaluate gas                                                                    
production as  a revenue generator, rather  than also taking                                                                    
into account the oil losses.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy   explained  that  there  was   a  similar                                                                    
conversation  related  to  different kinds  of  Prudhoe  Bay                                                                    
business.   He  wondered   what   Commissioner  Balash   was                                                                    
referring to  in his  comments. Commissioner  Balash replied                                                                    
that  he was  referring to  the initial  production area  at                                                                    
Prudhoe Bay  in the Sadlerochit Reservoir.  He was referring                                                                    
to the  portion of Prudhoe  Bay that contained both  oil and                                                                    
gas in one horizon. There  are additional horizons above and                                                                    
below the IPA  that can produce oil and gas,  because of the                                                                    
extraordinary  complexity and  richness of  the Prudhoe  Bay                                                                    
hydrocarbons. He  stressed that  it was possible  to develop                                                                    
additional oil resources, once the  blow down of the Prudhoe                                                                    
Bay gas cap begins.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy wondered  if  there was  a  still plan  to                                                                    
arrest the  degree of  oil production  decline. Commissioner                                                                    
Balash responded that there was  absolutely a plan to reduce                                                                    
oil production decline.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  asked if the  use of gas would  affect the                                                                    
effort  to  increase  oil  production.  Commissioner  Balash                                                                    
stated that  the gas should  not affect that effort,  but it                                                                    
requires approval from the AOGCC  to ensure that the efforts                                                                    
are not affected. He remarked  that cleaning up the gas from                                                                    
Prudhoe Bay will  require pulling carbon dioxide  out of the                                                                    
gas stream, and  that carbon dioxide could then  be used for                                                                    
enhanced oil recovery to improve  recovery at Prudhoe Bay or                                                                    
other nearby fields.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop remarked that there had been previous                                                                            
testimony in previous years about other proposed pipelines                                                                      
that had also been as optimistic as this proposal.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
6:37:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 6:37 p.m.                                                                                          

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022014 SFIN Alaska North Slope Gas Commercialization.pdf SFIN 2/20/2014 5:00:00 PM
Alaska Natural Gas
022014 - 01 10 2014-Meet Alaska Conference.docx SFIN 2/20/2014 5:00:00 PM
Alaska Natural Gas